tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post1875392767858803842..comments2024-03-20T10:01:20.599+00:00Comments on Dave Gorman: TwistedDave Gormanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02260701102207639816noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-14402809658451033592008-07-24T21:58:00.000+01:002008-07-24T21:58:00.000+01:00Bit of cross forum polination. similar crazy polic...Bit of cross forum polination. similar crazy police stoping photographer story.<BR/><BR/>http://www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?showtopic=189022<BR/><BR/>Also a bluffers guide to photographers rights... if you get it out infront of a copper I caannot see it going that well though :(<BR/><BR/>http://www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-63976274341141830242007-08-27T17:41:00.000+01:002007-08-27T17:41:00.000+01:00Do you live in TH or Hackney? If you're in TH I r...Do you live in TH or Hackney? If you're in TH I reckon it's worth writing a letter of complaint to your councillor. It's TH who license the use of VP these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-38069004526649580832007-08-22T00:06:00.000+01:002007-08-22T00:06:00.000+01:00Reminds me of some shots I took a couple of years ...Reminds me of some shots I took a couple of years ago. http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1580631<BR/><BR/>Most people are still okay, I think, so don't be put off. Take each situation as it comes. AAdrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18133737535022180304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-63198371645001045582007-08-14T10:16:00.000+01:002007-08-14T10:16:00.000+01:00I'm not clear exactly what's the problem with taki...I'm not clear exactly what's the problem with taking public photos of children in the first place. Where's the harm? No, really. That the photographer will go home and take illicit pleasure from looking at them? So what?<BR/><BR/>It's not 'political correctness' that's going on here; it's paranoid and under-educated parents who have an obsession with that very rare crime, paedophilia.<BR/><BR/>I remember being vastly amused at hearing for the first time about primitive tribes who believed that once a photograph has been taken of them a portion of their soul has been removed. Little did I know that such superstition would spread to the heart of the Empire and be adopted by otherwise sensible people.Slow Learnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09276308053037019253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-43494327248664422442007-08-12T21:38:00.000+01:002007-08-12T21:38:00.000+01:00Have you seen the Youtube clip that is doing the r...Have you seen the Youtube clip that is doing the rounds at the moment featuring a man being told to stop filming on his own property? I forget the link but if you haven't seen it it's embedded here:-<BR/><BR/>http://recoder.wordpress.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-63369124348509096252007-08-09T19:43:00.000+01:002007-08-09T19:43:00.000+01:00feeling ever so slightly threatened by lifeYes, I ...<I>feeling ever so slightly threatened by life</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I can understand that. How miserable.Cheerful Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02340048782530429964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-5248396582994227942007-08-09T02:55:00.000+01:002007-08-09T02:55:00.000+01:00In a world where you can no longer take a photogra...In a world where you can no longer take a photograph without stirring a public disturbance, you must look at that world and sigh a sad sigh.<BR/><BR/>I understand the world is paranoid about many things at the moment, from Pedophiles to Terrorists, from Global Warming to Foot and Mouth. However, turning into a Nanny-State as a result is never acceptable. People must take more responsibility for their own actions. <BR/><BR/>Children should learn that conkers CAN be dangerous as they have done for decades. Parents should learn that it's irresponsible to leave your child alone in unfamiliar surroundings for any period of time. Teachers should learn that their pupils will forever be a pain in their side, but they have training to deal with this. <BR/><BR/>Governments must learn to encourage common sense. Art I believe is another way to express common sense. They should not take away the ability to use it, whatever the medium.Stewart Paskehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115495711826378813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-29479066993369975362007-08-08T22:11:00.000+01:002007-08-08T22:11:00.000+01:00Dave,I'm sorry to say that unlike a couple of read...Dave,<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry to say that unlike a couple of readers, I wasn't surprised at all by your story or the lengthy comment stream - but like most of them, I feel disappointed and saddened by it in several ways (of which an explanation wouldn't add anything to this discussion).<BR/><BR/>You see, I'm a professional photographer as well as a flickr user since early 2005. So unfortunately it's all too familiar.<BR/><BR/>An Australian photographer and ex-lawyer called Andrew Nemeth maintains a reasonably comprhensive discussion of law and ethics of all of this on <A HREF="http://4020.net/words/photorights.php" REL="nofollow">his website</A>, including links to further discussions and stories on flickr. Recommended reading. (Although you might want to go and make yourself a cup of tea, as you say, because there's a lot of material there!)Steven Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04100083237041896121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-22912270944347717262007-08-08T17:52:00.000+01:002007-08-08T17:52:00.000+01:00Agh, bloody plods.Couldn't they be out shooting Br...Agh, bloody plods.<BR/><BR/>Couldn't they be out shooting Brazilians or something instead?Larry Teabaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283701267147459665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-26734774851516348002007-08-08T11:46:00.000+01:002007-08-08T11:46:00.000+01:00As an expat I'm watching from afar, with a certain...As an expat I'm watching from afar, with a certain degree of horror, what has been happening in my home country.<BR/><BR/>The UK is turning into a police state. Paranoia is everywhere. I thought the brakes would get put on a bit once David Blunkett got binned, but it hasn't happened.<BR/><BR/>Brits are the most watched-over race on the planet, security camera-wise and will soon be walking around with microchips in their fifty-pound notes and god knows what else. <BR/><BR/>Yes, the technology is already here. Supposedly to ease catching criminals and nothing to do with some bored copper aiming a scanner at you from fifty metres and knowing how much cash you're carrying.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, nobody stops you taking pictures of fairgrounds here in Belgium - not even the cops who all carry guns. But this is presumably because it's already the paedophile capital of Europe, so what would be the point?<BR/><BR/>Sad, but true.Tipplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14289150760142334305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-39805002899507008012007-08-08T11:11:00.000+01:002007-08-08T11:11:00.000+01:00It's a strange world when people are afraid of wha...It's a strange world when people are afraid of what a tiny group of people might possibly may do, perhaps, with a few pictures of fully-clothed children with their parents.Holly Lynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118405623730001581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-67602438322982522242007-08-08T09:25:00.000+01:002007-08-08T09:25:00.000+01:00Yes the words are familiar you anonymous little m...Yes the words are familiar you anonymous little minx you... cleverly using my own words against me like that. Oh, no... hang on... actually, I think you've rather missed the point.<BR/><BR/>There's a big difference between a petition and a story on a blog. For a start, one is a protest and one isn't. <BR/><BR/>I was asked on at least 20 occasions to sign that petition protesting government proposals to limit the freedom of photographers. I questioned it. I looked into it for myself. I discovered that there were no such proposals. So I didn't sign the petition. But tens of thousands of people did sign it. <BR/><BR/>To me, a petition about proposals that <I>do not exist</I> but that is signed by <I>tens of thousands</I> of people is a good demonstration of how readily people will sign up to something regardless of merit, so long as it <I>sounds</I> righteous. <BR/><BR/>A post in which you basically say, <I>"ah ha... well then Mr. Cynical... I'm going to turn your words back on you... how do you like a dose of your own medicine!"</I> does nothing to make that any less true. <BR/><BR/>But I think you're comparing the telling-of-a-story with an-organised-protest and that's apples and oranges. <BR/><BR/>Question the story all you like. Doubt it if that suits you. It would only be important if I was asking you to do anything about it. Which I'm not. Nor would I.Dave Gormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02260701102207639816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-62625091013762223652007-08-08T08:54:00.000+01:002007-08-08T08:54:00.000+01:00Why should we believe you? We should start questio...Why should we believe you? We should start questioning the stories we read. Maybe you are protesting about a situation that never existed. This is how easy it is to protest these days... sounds familiar?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-45546650367211065522007-08-07T14:32:00.000+01:002007-08-07T14:32:00.000+01:00My hub got beaten up for trying to take a photo of...My hub got beaten up for trying to take a photo of a sign saying "Goat's leg free with every purchase." And not even by the shop man, by a passer-by man. Although it was in Peckham.Miss Ticklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15387690500538541874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-47842860150357826652007-08-07T14:16:00.000+01:002007-08-07T14:16:00.000+01:00what goes around comes around, dave...what goes around comes around, dave...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-90902647349752594542007-08-06T20:23:00.000+01:002007-08-06T20:23:00.000+01:00I'm sure this is quoting someone - or misquoting t...I'm sure this is quoting someone - or misquoting them as may be - but we have nothing to fear but fear itself.<BR/><BR/>We live in a world where people arn't frightened of what there is, but what there might be. There might be bird flu coming, there might be terrorists on your bus (which has increased the number of cyclists, which is a good thing...), but I had my own run in with the logic-less security guard.<BR/><BR/>So it's London, it's December, and I'm at a loose end. I've got my camera bag with me, and the sun is decending rapidly. I'd already pledged to get some shots while there's still colour in the sky, and done some scouting the previous night. Nothing to do but get a move on.<BR/><BR/>Wandering along the south bank of the Thames, I get to the London Eye. I've taken many shots of it over the years, including one that's on my living room wall, but I'd never got a good night shot. Tonight I'd finish up my London Eye photo collection and move onto other subjects.<BR/><BR/>As I arrive the sun is low, the lights are glowing on the wheel, and I pick the 15mm fisheye to start with. It's so cold that I've got my cable release in my pocket, with just the lead hanging out. I set up my little travel tripod at the base of the cables that run down the bank and start bracketing. I notice that a security guard is wandering over.<BR/><BR/>"You can't take photos with that."<BR/><BR/>Ok, not a great opening gambit. My response should have been "What, a camera?" You always think of the good lines after the event. I'd got my little tripod, no battery grip, and a thin fisheye lens.<BR/><BR/>What do you mean?<BR/><BR/>"You can't use a tripod here."<BR/><BR/>Why not?<BR/><BR/>"Well you might be a pro and we don't know what you might use the photos for."<BR/><BR/>But I can take photos without the tripod?<BR/><BR/>"Yeah."<BR/><BR/>It was pretty much dark, and I'm buggered if I'm using ISO 1600 just to avoid the wrath of security. I wander along the loading area away from the Thames. I hold the camera up to my eye and I realise there's a shot. I keep going back. By the time I'm on the public highway it's too far. I set up my tripod, set the camera, dash to where I want to be, fire off a handful of frames with the tripod and go. No checking, I just head for the Shell building and a bit of peace.<BR/><BR/>I check the camera, I got the shot. Waves of "I beat the system" dopamine wash over me, and that was the perfect end to my shooting of the London Eye.<BR/><BR/>Ultimately you can't beat those in charge, but you can be out proudly taking photos, and not furtively hiding your camera in your jacket looking even shadier than you're not.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and a I took more photos of the London Eye. They were mostly rubbish, and I'm fairly sure they look like everyone elses :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-58688195793104294752007-08-06T20:17:00.000+01:002007-08-06T20:17:00.000+01:00Dave,This really is awful!!! That said, I agree wi...Dave,<BR/><BR/>This really is awful!!! That said, I agree with Kate, you should have taken down the names of the officers and their numbers...though, I imagine that you would have felt even more uncomfortable doing so. I imagine that if you'd broken their chain of thought, thanked them for their concern and presence and assured them that you would be writting to their supperior about how reassuring it was to have such a presence, then they would have been quick to back down.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure that all this after thought doesn't really make you feel better about what happened...it's just all very sad and disturbing! I am glad, however, that you decided to post the story, and I hope that everyone else on here is so appalled by your treatment that you feel a little better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-89798470267340042582007-08-06T19:01:00.000+01:002007-08-06T19:01:00.000+01:00Didn't you pull up your shirt and show them the bi...Didn't you pull up your shirt and show them the big red button on your belt and praise Allah as you recited that last prayer.....?<BR/><BR/>They would have been eating out of your hand after all that diversity trainingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-43220741428699277332007-08-06T06:55:00.000+01:002007-08-06T06:55:00.000+01:00I can't find an email address for you..so..as a wi...I can't find an email address for you..so..as a winner you are invited to Guest Judge next week's Post of the Week.<BR/><BR/>If you're interested, please go <A HREF="http://www.postoftheweek.com/judge/" REL="nofollow">here.</A>y.Wendy.yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10630727119097764058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-69718976492998213412007-08-06T06:51:00.000+01:002007-08-06T06:51:00.000+01:00Hello DaveYou are the winner of this week's Post o...Hello Dave<BR/><BR/>You are the winner of this week's <A HREF="http://www.postoftheweek.com/" REL="nofollow">Post of the Week.</A><BR/><BR/>Congratulations!y.Wendy.yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10630727119097764058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-9273555433411971962007-08-05T19:31:00.000+01:002007-08-05T19:31:00.000+01:00I've seen so many links to that petition elsewhere...I've seen so many links to that petition elsewhere... and watched in horror because of the number of people who sign it without question. It's a petition about nothing... a petition protesting about proposals that don't exist. <BR/><BR/>This is how easy it is to protest these days... if your cause <I>sounds</I> noble and you sell it with enough conviction you can get thousands of people to protest... so long as they don't have to leave the house to do it.Dave Gormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02260701102207639816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-66177322867400616772007-08-05T15:30:00.000+01:002007-08-05T15:30:00.000+01:00"Look at this petition" - or scroll up from that l..."Look at this petition" - or scroll up from that link to see the government response saying that it's nonsense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-51703205610999419882007-08-05T15:02:00.001+01:002007-08-05T15:02:00.001+01:00Cough- that'll be Ken LIVINGSTONCough- that'll be Ken LIVINGSTONMisssy Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16499765849677367656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-26452744300790073432007-08-05T15:02:00.000+01:002007-08-05T15:02:00.000+01:00It's only going to get worse, Dave. Ken Liveinston...It's only going to get worse, Dave. Ken Liveinston wants to ban public photography for all but those who have permits. Look at this petition against it:<BR/><BR/>http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Photography/#detail<BR/><BR/>But for the sake a few perverts we will all suffer.Misssy Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16499765849677367656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588205362847565197.post-62408372173969324642007-08-03T23:52:00.000+01:002007-08-03T23:52:00.000+01:00Not wanting to get all Fox Mulder on you, but were...Not wanting to get all Fox Mulder on you, but were they really coppers?<BR/><BR/>Oh hang on, if I was really getting all Fox Mulder on you, I suppose I wouldn't be asking you that, I'd be asking you which spaceship they stepped out of or if they have weird powers and smoke a lot.<BR/><BR/>That's not really what I meant and it trivialises a serious point.<BR/><BR/>Anyway.<BR/><BR/>Rubbish, as is generally agreed.<BR/><BR/>STswisslethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16708248700851998044noreply@blogger.com